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Re^10: And here's why I think "downvotes" should be eliminated, or tabulated separately ... (node order)

by Arunbear (Prior)
on Jul 06, 2015 at 12:59 UTC ( #1133353=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^9: And here's why I think "downvotes" should be eliminated, or tabulated separately ... (node order)
in thread And here's why I think "downvotes" should be eliminated, or tabulated separately ...

Stack Overflow orders answers by reputation, and I can remember quite a few occasions where the highest rep answer wasn't the most useful one for the problem I searched for.

So I'm not sure it would be better, but I'm not against trying it out here. If it were implemented here, we ought to make it clear to viewers that what they're seeing isn't a chronological listing.

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Re^11: And here's why I think "downvotes" should be eliminated, or tabulated separately ... (node order)
by tye (Sage) on Jul 07, 2015 at 04:52 UTC
    I can remember quite a few occasions where the highest rep answer wasn't the most useful one for the problem I searched for

    And you remember few occasions where the most quickly posted answer wasn't the most useful one for the problem you searched for? Otherwise, you present the weakest of arguments against the proposal.

    So, add to that "I don't want to use that configuration", which is not an argument against it since registered users have had the option to choose from several configurations for a decade already. Also, one downvote lacking any accompanying explanation.

    I think the arguments "for" are winning rather decisively, despite their quite modest showing.

    - tye        

      ...I think the arguments "for" are winning rather decisively, despite their quite modest showing.

      Current view for me, chronological, doesn't say "replies are ordered chronologically", although timestamps are shown, and the nodeids increase

      If you switch the default ordering for me, I would find a note explaining the ordering useful

      And you remember few occasions where the most quickly posted answer wasn't the most useful one for the problem you searched for?
      Indeed. But with the new ordering (assuming I was using it), I'd still have to read all the replies, hence my doubt that it would be an improvement over the old ordering.

      You mentioned "Anonymous visitors and new (registered) users are the ones who would most benefit from showing notes sorted by reputation instead of by time.", but didn't explain where the benefit comes from.

        The benefit comes from better nodes being shown first. Did anybody claim the ordering was perfect? Of course not. Don't be silly.

        Ever heard a joke about "I found it, but it was in the last place that i looked"? Most people, when they find what they are looking for, they stop looking. You, however, feel the need to worry that, if you stop looking, you might miss an even better version of what you are looking for. That is completely reasonable, but it most certainly isn't true for everybody reading an internet forum.

        However, even if one goes on to read all of the nodes, having found a useful answer in one of the first nodes, one can more quickly skip nodes that clearly don't provide a better answer.

        Experienced users have more tools for being able to discern the quality of replies, even for seeing the reputation of some or all of the replies. Anonymous and new visitors benefit the most from having the relative reputations of the nodes be represented.

        The site even benefits from new visitors being much more likely to see useful replies before seeing clearly unhelpful or even obnoxious replies. I suspect the new visitors also find that to be beneficial. And I think that is the case even when they go on to read all of the unhelpful replies (and I also think they are less likely to bother reading all of the unhelpful replies all of the way through if they've previously read one or more helpful replies).

        Perhaps you've seen people on the internet write "tl;dr"? That seems to be pretty common. Just because you refuse to resort to that, don't blind yourself to the rather obvious fact of its existence. "Stopping at 1 many times wouldn't have provided me with the very best of the answers" doesn't even come close to refuting "Sorting answers by an imperfect measure of quality provides some benefit" even just in considering somebody stopping before reading all of the replies.

        I actually feel a bit silly trying to explain such. But you asked. I hope that was useful.

        - tye        

Re^11: And here's why I think "downvotes" should be eliminated, or tabulated separately ... (node order)
by jdporter (Canon) on Jul 07, 2015 at 16:29 UTC
    If it were implemented here, we ought to make it clear to viewers that what they're seeing isn't a chronological listing.

    Done. :-)

    I reckon we are the only monastery ever to have a dungeon stuffed with 16,000 zombies.

      Wow, thing actually do get done here. :) And here i thought we just liked to talk about it instead. (Yes, yes, i'm joking.)

      Nice being one of the ascended, eh?

      That's great, thank you!

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