Re: Can I please have multiple downvotes per (certain monk's) posts.

What PerlMonks does lack though is a clear feedback on negative reputation. There are posts out there that not only are technical nonsense, but may be really misleading to people reading it. It might be a good idea to hide those posts by default with a message like "This post has a very low reputation, it may be technically incorrect, or irrelevant". It is possible for registered monks to order posts by reputation (which actually is the order I have chosen to use), but it is not the default, so anyone coming to perlmonks after googling their problem won't get the reputation information on the nodes and may not avoid the bad posts.

++Eily for this

I understand what BrowserUk feels. He is somehow very right. My father promoted the downvote for political elections too, you know what i mean if you guess my latititude..

Anyway Eily made some serious and practical suggestions. They are worth to be investigated and, why not, applied.

Why we have to see trash walking in the road? Well, the quarter is not the more exclusive of the city, but why the trash?

I confess, i read not the whole thread, but i got the point. So, if i came into a tecnical, finally Perl releted thread, i'll be very happy to see:

This post has a very low reputation, it may be technically incorrect, 
+or irrelevant.

The user who posted the removed post has \d\d% of very low reputation 
+posts.

If you really want to read the original post you can do it here.
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Now, if i can add some pepper to the discussion, our ancestors, experimenting how hard is to cohabit, had imagined two different insititutions: ostracism and a very clever (but used very rarely) practice: damnatio memoriae.

Meditate monks, meditate.

L*
update: wrongly put citation in code block, sorry. thanks marinersk

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Re^2: Can I please have multiple downvotes per (certain monk's) posts. by soonix (Canon) on Jun 20, 2015 at 10:00 UTC
There's two problems with damnatio memoriae it doesn't work, see Herostratos Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. The latter is probably the reason why perlmonks chose that even reaped nodes can be seen by logged in users...	[reply]
Re^2: Can I please have multiple downvotes per (certain monk's) posts. by marinersk (Priest) on Jun 19, 2015 at 22:05 UTC
Long line there. Perhaps you meant to use `<blockquote>`instead of `<code>`there? That said, NodeReaper can remove nodes that are sufficiently downvoted, so I would say we have a mild form of damnatio memoriae functioning right here in the Monastary. A deeper cleanup is of course possible, but you rapidly approach the Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? problem. I can say with a fair sense of comfort that outright censorship runs counter to the philosophy of the Monastary, though I confess I have been sorely tempted to propose it toward some of the more recent ravings around here. It might be beneficial to have a well-designed justification system built in alongside the voting system, but this late in Perl's lifespan I'm not sure the Return on Investement is high enough to warrant the effort.	[reply] [d/l] [select]
Re^3: Can I please have multiple downvotes per (certain monk's) posts. by aaron_baugher (Curate) on Jun 19, 2015 at 22:53 UTC
NodeReaper can remove nodes that are sufficiently downvoted Really? I thought reaping only applied to considered nodes. If that's true, it seems like a reasonable solution, but I'm surprised it hasn't come up in this conversation until now. How large a negative reputation is required to cause a node to be reaped? Aaron B. Available for small or large Perl jobs and *nix system administration; see my home node.	[reply]
Re^4: Can I please have multiple downvotes per (certain monk's) posts. by stevieb (Canon) on Jun 19, 2015 at 23:29 UTC
Appears as though your thoughts are correct. From how I read it, nodes only get reaped based on consider votes plus downvotes, not on downvotes alone: What is Reaping?. -stevieb	[reply]
Re^4: Can I please have multiple downvotes per (certain monk's) posts. by marinersk (Priest) on Jun 19, 2015 at 23:44 UTC
My comment was incomplete, but the error is really tangential to the point being made. :-)	[reply]
Re^5: Can I please have multiple downvotes per (certain monk's) posts. by aaron_baugher (Curate) on Jun 19, 2015 at 23:52 UTC
Re^6: Can I please have multiple downvotes per (certain monk's) posts. by marinersk (Priest) on Jun 20, 2015 at 02:06 UTC
Re^3: Can I please have multiple downvotes per (certain monk's) posts. by Anonymous Monk on Jun 19, 2015 at 22:36 UTC
pointing out the reputation of a poster ... or the karma of a poster ... along with any "answer" he may provide seems like its not censorship, just extra data ...	[reply]
Re^2: Can I please have multiple downvotes per (certain monk's) posts. by karlgoethebier (Abbot) on Jun 24, 2015 at 17:22 UTC
"...our ancestors, experimenting how hard is to cohabit, had imagined two different insititutions: ostracism and a very clever (but used very rarely) practice: damnatio memoriae." Rome nevertheless disappeared. It didn't help. And the thing with "the one who leads" went wrong too more than once. Please see Giulio Cesare. Il dittatore democratico by Luciano Canfora for a very famous example. Best regards, Karl �The Crux of the Biscuit is the Apostrophe�	[reply]
Re^3: Can I please have multiple downvotes ... proposals by Discipulus (Canon) on Jun 25, 2015 at 08:15 UTC
Dear friend, Rome nevertheless disappeared is obviously true, but consider how much the contemporary Law is based on the roman one ( for instance, 20 occurence of Roma in the previously linked page) About "the one who leads".. i've never mentioned it; away from me the idea to reimplement the 'enlightened dictator'!! In fact a mix of consideration and negative votes is more similar to a democratic method. Might also be worth to explore the possibility of some kind of meritocracy instead: monks of level 15-19 could have the possibility to double vote (once a day?) a node, 20+ level monks maybe can triple vote (three times in a day?) a node. Also to expose more information in the header of a post, like the level of the monk at the moment he or she posted, and peraphs the percentage of post with negative votes (-5 as triggering limit?) and the number of total reaped or obscured posts.. can guide monks or visitors to get right answers from our site. The spirit of the monastery is to help people in a kind way: misleading posts, highly inaccurate ones, empty of sense ones, personal harrasment.. are obviously against that spirit. UPDATE: also XP / posts ratio can be exposed and will be usefull. ENDofUPDATE Anyway no posts must be removed: as reaped ones, the new category of, say, 'greyed posts' must be reachable somehow. Even better will be to put such posts in a separate location unavailable to robot and spiders (it was possible inthe past, dunno if is still feasible). Also we can explore the possibilty to grant some extra right to monks of 20+ level: we have 45~ monks of such level who logged in in the current year. If 3 or 5 of them mark a post to be 'greyed' it happens as for the reaped ones. Obviosly all that things must be implemented: if for the moment no one has the time to do it (small or big is always a work) we can wait. But if the desire to change or add something is clear and diffused (we can also imagine a poll for this) must to be put in a todo list. best regards, L* There are no rules, there are no thumbs.. Reinvent the wheel, then learn The Wheel; may be one day you reinvent one of THE WHEELS.	[reply] [d/l]


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