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Re^7: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? (haut dolts)

by Your Mother (Archbishop)
on Feb 13, 2015 at 18:49 UTC ( #1116647=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re^6: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? (haut dolts)
in thread What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited?

I have long thought IRC is a better social tool than a technial oneóIRC Considered Harmful. Hacker society is often harsh or worse. Mammals can act quite differently in packs, even amiable individuals. There is plenty of room in the world for liking something and being enthusiastic about it without it being a personality defect. So I object to use of the word ďcultĒ which you and tye have used. Itís generally pejorative and obviously meant to be here. Physician, heal thyself.

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Re^8: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? ("cult")
by tye (Sage) on Feb 13, 2015 at 21:03 UTC
    Itís generally pejorative and obviously meant to be here.

    "Nothing is obvious unless you are overlooking something". At least as far as my usage of the word "cult" is concerned, it was indeed not meant to be pejorative. Actually, I didn't even use the word "cult". I modified a prior use of "cult" by typing "subcult".

    You choose (feel free to replace that verb if you don't like being credited with having a choice in this case) to interpret "cult" as pejorative and even obviously so in this case. I will make no speculations about whether or not the use of "cult" that I copied from was meant to be pejorative or not. However, it did not appear "obviously so" to me. But I freely admit that this could be mostly due to my choice (you can't change this verb, though) to try to avoid interpreting text-only communication as heated.

    In my experience, people are already naturally too prone to perceiving malice in text-only communication, especially if that communication is disagreeing with something that the reader either wrote or empathizes with. So I choose to expend effort in the opposite direction (and sometimes do it without effort).

    I also tend to use colorful words. I am much more likely to inform you that "I stole your stapler" than "I borrowed..." when I return it to you.

    And I perceive the word "cult" being used a lot of different ways. It can be vanilla (an "actual" cult). It can be critical, even pejorative. It can be playful ("I can't make it to 'dungeon' cult tonight"). It can be very mildly critical, more like hinting that things might be coming close to being deserving of criticism.

    I think I am most likely to use "cult" simply because it is short, ascribing no positive or negative inflection to it. Simply conveying that what is being discussed is a group of people who have some shared interest, likely with at least a bit of devotion or emotional attachment involved.

    And, lacking some apparent emphasis, I am likely to interpret the word "cult" that way as well. When I've heard people use the word "cult" as a real pejorative, they put rather dramatic verbal emphasis on the word. To use "cult" as a pejorative, the word has to be spat rather than said (IME, though, not counting when people are using "cult" for its literal meaning when talking about some flavor of religion). I choose to not assume people are metaphorically spitting when I read their text.

    - tye        

      I meant the use of the word "cult" to be about as pejorative as its use in the Catholic church -- in keeping with the "monk" motif of perlmonks:




      a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.

      "the cult of St. Olaf"

      Its understandable that the humor would escape some but really, my experience is that asking tough questions of Moose "devotees" instills in me the kind of aversion that I have to questioning the beliefs of a Jesuit:

      I have great respect for their ability to explain their philosophy while also explaining why I must attend confession and learn my catechism. That is even ignoring the occasional hell-fire and brimstone zealot.

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