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Re^5: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? (haut dolts)

by Corion (Pope)
on Feb 13, 2015 at 08:15 UTC ( #1116584=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re^4: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? (haut dolts)
in thread What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited?

So your post would have more aptly been titled "What Made Individuals in the Moose irc Channel Mean Spirited?" ?

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Re^6: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? (haut dolts)
by jabowery (Beadle) on Feb 13, 2015 at 10:11 UTC

    I can't say its limited to the IRC environment but perhaps it is concentrated in the Moose cult more or less.

      I have long thought IRC is a better social tool than a technial oneóIRC Considered Harmful. Hacker society is often harsh or worse. Mammals can act quite differently in packs, even amiable individuals. There is plenty of room in the world for liking something and being enthusiastic about it without it being a personality defect. So I object to use of the word ďcultĒ which you and tye have used. Itís generally pejorative and obviously meant to be here. Physician, heal thyself.

        Itís generally pejorative and obviously meant to be here.

        "Nothing is obvious unless you are overlooking something". At least as far as my usage of the word "cult" is concerned, it was indeed not meant to be pejorative. Actually, I didn't even use the word "cult". I modified a prior use of "cult" by typing "subcult".

        You choose (feel free to replace that verb if you don't like being credited with having a choice in this case) to interpret "cult" as pejorative and even obviously so in this case. I will make no speculations about whether or not the use of "cult" that I copied from was meant to be pejorative or not. However, it did not appear "obviously so" to me. But I freely admit that this could be mostly due to my choice (you can't change this verb, though) to try to avoid interpreting text-only communication as heated.

        In my experience, people are already naturally too prone to perceiving malice in text-only communication, especially if that communication is disagreeing with something that the reader either wrote or empathizes with. So I choose to expend effort in the opposite direction (and sometimes do it without effort).

        I also tend to use colorful words. I am much more likely to inform you that "I stole your stapler" than "I borrowed..." when I return it to you.

        And I perceive the word "cult" being used a lot of different ways. It can be vanilla (an "actual" cult). It can be critical, even pejorative. It can be playful ("I can't make it to 'dungeon' cult tonight"). It can be very mildly critical, more like hinting that things might be coming close to being deserving of criticism.

        I think I am most likely to use "cult" simply because it is short, ascribing no positive or negative inflection to it. Simply conveying that what is being discussed is a group of people who have some shared interest, likely with at least a bit of devotion or emotional attachment involved.

        And, lacking some apparent emphasis, I am likely to interpret the word "cult" that way as well. When I've heard people use the word "cult" as a real pejorative, they put rather dramatic verbal emphasis on the word. To use "cult" as a pejorative, the word has to be spat rather than said (IME, though, not counting when people are using "cult" for its literal meaning when talking about some flavor of religion). I choose to not assume people are metaphorically spitting when I read their text.

        - tye        

      I don't interact much with "Moose people" (if there are people identifying as such), but I wouldn't be surprised to encouter unpleasantness on irc. It's mostly people hanging out and if you catch a person in a bad mood, things can escalate easily.

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