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poll ideas quest 2023

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on Jan 01, 2023 at 08:32 UTC ( #11149254=quest: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??
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Re: poll ideas quest 2023 (perl version)
by hippo (Bishop) on Jan 27, 2023 at 16:16 UTC

    I prefer not to run the latest version of Perl because

    • there is too much technical debt in my codebase
    • the stability of the system perl suits me better
    • I have to support users of some ancient version
    • I'm stuck with ActiveState/TinyPerl/microperl/...
    • letting the early adopters trip over the bugs is fine
    • some other reason
      • I have to develop for the version of Perl that is on the production systems
      • my web hosting provider has not updated their Perl

      Actually, those two (plus maybe "have to support users") boil down to:

      • I am not the one who decides if/when the Perl version is upgraded

      Not sure if "the stability of the system perl suits me better" is intended to cover this, but:

      - the cost of potentially introducing new bugs far outweighs the benefit of (this list of) new features;

      - last time I upgraded everything broke, I don't want to do that again.

      The first of those pretty much covers the perl I use for maths research - it is currently running on 5.34, but I tend to upgrade it very rarely. If I find a bug that affects my maths results, I potentially have to rerun tens of CPU-years-worth of calculations. (Last time that happened I was lucky that I had just moved to a much faster new computer, so it only took 6 months to recompute the previous 10 years of calculations.)

      The second covers a couple of companies I used to work for.

      G'day hippo,

      I really like this idea for a poll.

      If this is used in the next few months, replace "latest version" with v5.36; if later in 2023, use v5.38. There's also the possibility that "latest version" is v7.0. Anyway, I'm just thinking that attitudes may change depending on what that "latest version" is.

      Furthermore, an option should be provided for those with the opposite preference. I'm not sure of the best wording; perhaps something like:

      • well, actually, I have no such preference: I'm happily using <latest version>

      — Ken

      Not that I condone any of these reasons, but...

      • I find re-installing all of my modules into a new version a hassle
      • we use XS code that doesn't compile against newer Perls
      • I just haven't gotten around to it
      • I simply don't want to, for reason X (comment below) [perhaps instead of "some other reason"]
    • I'm stuck where Strawberry Perl is


      There are no rules, there are no thumbs..
      Reinvent the wheel, then learn The Wheel; may be one day you reinvent one of THE WHEELS.

        Is that worth lumping in with the ActiveState/TinyPerl etc. group or is it a different class of problem? (I don't use such things myself so defer to your expert knownledge)


      I'm waiting for IndigoStar Software to release "perl2exe" for the latest version of Perl.

      "It's not how hard you work, it's how much you get done."

    • because older perls are faster


      There are no rules, there are no thumbs..
      Reinvent the wheel, then learn The Wheel; may be one day you reinvent one of THE WHEELS.
        Is there still a page that benchmarks different Perl versions? I haven't seen it since about 5.26 and my Google-Fu doesn't help me finding it.

        map{substr$_->[0],$_->[1]||0,1}[\*||{},3],[[]],[ref qr-1,-,-1],[{}],[sub{}^*ARGV,3]
Re: poll ideas quest 2023 [Perl v5.40.0 release date]
by kcott (Archbishop) on May 19, 2023 at 22:54 UTC

    I wish I had thought of this earlier: it could have referred to v5.38.0. So, instead, there's plenty of time for Perl v5.40.0; just put this on hold for 10-11 months.

    I've picked the choices based on typical release dates for stable (maintenance) 5.x.0 versions over the last decade or so (as shown in perlhist).

    Draft (based on Step 2 of "How do I create a Poll?"):

    Perl v5.40.0 release date?
    Prologue paragraph
    When do you think Perl v5.40.0 will be released (based on the date shown in
    One or more choices
    • Before May 2024
    • 1-15 May 2024
    • 16-31 May 2024
    • June 2024
    • After June 2024
    • I predict an exact date (in comment below)
    • Won't happen; the next will be v7.0.0
    • None of the above

    — Ken

      Is it too late to do this with 5.38, or is there something special about 5.40?
        It's definitely too late for the "Before May" option for 5.38. :-)

        map{substr$_->[0],$_->[1]||0,1}[\*||{},3],[[]],[ref qr-1,-,-1],[{}],[sub{}^*ARGV,3]

        G'day Arunbear,

        My timestamp on this post is "May 20, 2023 at 08:54 AEST"; yours is probably "May 19, 2023 at 23:54 BST".

        If you look in perlhist, you'll see that the most common release date, for v5.x.0 stable releases (x is even), is May or June (in the last decade or so).

        Given that the previous 11 development versions (v5.37.1 to v5.37.11) were all released on the 20th of consecutive months, I was half expecting v5.38.0 to be released on 20/5/23 (unless there was a further v5.37.12) on that date. As it turns out, no further versions have been released yet.

        In 2023, all of "Before May" and "1-15 May", as well as a fair chunk of "16-31 May", had already gone; hence my "I wish I had thought of this earlier".

        So, yes, it's too late for v5.38.0; and, no, there's nothing special about v5.40.0 beyond the not unreasonable expectation that it will be released in 2024, probably around May or June.

        — Ken

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