Re^2: Is "Tidings: What's New at PerlMonks" Obsolete?

"What other recent changes do you think are Tidings worthy?"

There may be a disconnect between what I and others consider "worthy". While I'm happy to accept that, perhaps some change to the opening paragraph of Tidings would clarify the situation: a simple modification along the lines of s/change/major change/ might be all that's needed.

It's also possible that some changes may be in an experimental or work-in-progress state which would make them inappropriate.

I haven't kept a list of what I consider to be missing; however, a Super Search has found:

"Notification of updates to "Tidings"" (Nov. 2016)
From 2016 and, as such, may be a little dated (but not actually out-of-date). In it, I do note "updated infrequently".
"Re^6: New posts added earlier in posted list" (Jan. 2021)
See the last paragraph; in particular, "I'm pretty sure there have been changes which occurred in the last eight months: Supplications in the Monastery Gates; layout in Nodes to Consider; possibly others."
"Invalid ID in reply notification" (Dec. 2021)
This seems to indicate a change for which no notification exists. The last post chronologically (Re^7: Invalid ID in reply notification) just has: "Looking into it. Thanks."

While I would consider that to be a non-exhaustive list, it does highlight at least three items that could bear revisiting (and perhaps further action).

— Ken

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Re^3: Is "Tidings: What's New at PerlMonks" Obsolete? by jdporter (Paladin) on Apr 28, 2022 at 14:11 UTC
Thanks. What I'm asking for is a concrete list of specific changes that you think should have been announced in Tidings. To address your points: "Notification of updates to "Tidings"" (Nov. 2016) This is a discussion of Tidings notifications and how we might make them more prominent, so, not really apropos to my request. "Re^6: New posts added earlier in posted list" (Jan. 2021) "Supplications in the Monastery Gates; layout in Nodes to Consider..." I'm afraid those are too vague to be actionable. I don't even know what "Supplications in the Monastery Gates" is supposed to mean; the Gates has always had a Seekers of Perl Wisdom section...🤷 "Invalid ID in reply notification" (Dec. 2021) I was never able to identify a cause. In any case, a random glitch causing a node to disappear is not something we'd announce in Tidings! Nor even a fix to such a bug, unless the bug were well-known and affected more than few users. Now please do me a favor and stop saying Tidings is disused/obsolete. Corion and I both update it as we deem necessary. If you or any monk knows of a change which you think could be Tidings worthy, feel free to /msg gods or post in PMD, and we can discuss it. Thank you. I reckon we are the only monastery ever to have a dungeon staffed with 16,000 zombies.	[reply]
Re^4: Is "Tidings: What's New at PerlMonks" Obsolete? by kcott (Archbishop) on Apr 30, 2022 at 17:30 UTC
My problem is that I've always liked you; at least, until recently. Since you ascended to godhood (the ineffably resplendent form called erzuuli) you have treated me nastily (for instance, that noisome instance of messing with my XP — it's unknown what joy or satisfaction you got from that). "Now please do me a favor and stop saying Tidings is disused/obsolete." That is a complete confection by yourself; I beieive you to be intelligent enough to know this. I did ask the question "is [it] obsolete?"; I never made the statement "[it] is obsolete.". The word "disused" appears nowhere in this thread until you wrote it. "I don't even know what "Supplications in the Monastery Gates" is supposed to mean" Please review your own post "Re: Monastery gates typo and title change"; in particular, 'I also renamed the SoPW section as "Supplications" ...' In that thread there are other changes that I would have considered "tidings"-worthy. If this is not the case, please explain why (not just to me, but in the introduction to the page). — Ken	[reply]
Re^5: Is "Tidings: What's New at PerlMonks" Obsolete? by jdporter (Paladin) on May 01, 2022 at 16:49 UTC
I sincerely apologize for the things I've said/done which have made you feel like I've treated you nastily. That has never been my intention; very far from it. That incident of messing with your XP - that was supposed to be just "fun" and I wanted to bring some (positive) attention to your contributions. Apparently I miscalculated and I'm sorry. It's true you never stated that Tidings is obsolete. But you've asked the question, rhetorically, more than once, and a reader might easily conclude that you believe Tidings is obsolete. Forgive me if I'm being overly sensitive, but I've put a lot of work into this site and I'm proud of it. I took your questioning of Tidings' status as an implication that I'm slacking. The word "disused" appears nowhere in this thread until you wrote it. "disuse" is the word you used here. You referred to that thread yourself. Tidings was never meant to be a change log. Changing some wording here and there is not significant enough. Adding another IP to the block list is not significant enough. Adding a link to a help doc from a settings page is not significant enough. Changing the shade of green in the background of a button is not significant enough. Those are the sorts of changes that get discussed in PMD. And often that's all the documentation that's needed. I reckon we are the only monastery ever to have a dungeon staffed with 16,000 zombies.	[reply]
Re^5: Is "Tidings: What's New at PerlMonks" Obsolete? by LanX (Saint) on Apr 30, 2022 at 18:24 UTC
Ken please, this site operates as good as it is possible with it's limited manpower and legacy code. There are only 2 active gods left and there is only so much what pmdevs can do. I think both of you would profit to tone this down and show more tolerance. This here depends on motivation and will be damaged by frustrating conflicts. @all: Ask yourselves: is the monastery as functional as once envisaged? (no) is it still worth kept running? (yes) Tidings is about announcing new features, I think we are busy enough fixing the old parts and keeping trolls and spammers at bay. I personally don't care much about tidings ... Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language :) Wikisyntax for the Monastery}	[reply]


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