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Re: R or B?

by Tux (Canon)
on Dec 01, 2021 at 13:30 UTC ( #11139288=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to R or B?

Definitely 100% R!. I admit that the Beatles had - and still have - a huge impact on many musicians, but IMHO they are the most overrated band ever. Look at their lyrics, it is like listening to Lala and Po in teletubby land. Count the total number of distinct words in a song like "hello, Goodbye" (31) and then compare that to the number of distinct words (150+) of e.g. lyrics from the early days of Marillion which are plain poetry. FWIW Going Home from the Stones has 134 distinct words.

I know there are zillions of people that do not agree with me, but I personally would not shed a tear if there was no more songs played on the radio from the Beatles.

Hello-Goodbye: 32 distinct words 40 say 32 i 31 hello 31 zz_words 20 you 16 why 15 goodbye 10 dont 10 hela 10 know 9 heba 9 helloa 7 go 7 no 6 and 6 oh 3 yes 2 bye 2 stop 1 but 1 can 1 do 1 hellowow 1 high 1 its 1 low 1 may 1 mean 1 stay 1 still 1 time 1 to

That is a mere 31 different words including silly variants of hello

Enjoy, Have FUN! H.Merijn

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Re^2: R or B?
by Corion (Patriarch) on Dec 01, 2021 at 16:13 UTC

    As the one suggesting Mo-Do as another datapoint, I feel obliged to add something productive, so here's the (deparsed) oneliner I used to look at the statistics of lyrics:

    # BEGIN { $/ = "\n"; $\ = "\n"; } # use feature 'current_sub', 'evalbytes', 'fc', 'postderef_qq', 'say', + 'state', 'switch', 'unicode_strings', 'unicode_eval'; while (<>) { chomp $_; foreach $_ (/(\w+)/gu) { ++$total; ++$count{lc $_}; } END { say "${_}: $count{$_}" foreach (sort keys %count); say sprintf('%d distinct words in %d total', scalar keys %coun +t, $total); say sprintf('%0.2f', scalar keys(%count) / $total); } }
Re^2: R or B?
by Anonymous Monk on Dec 02, 2021 at 04:02 UTC
Re^2: R or B?
by LanX (Sage) on Dec 01, 2021 at 14:25 UTC

      True, but they also do not have a lot of words at all, making the words more unique:

      72 distinct words in 94 total (76.6%) - Earth and Fire : Storm and T +hunder 108 distinct words in 154 total (70.1%) - Genesis : Firth of Fi +fth 133 distinct words in 202 total (65.8%) - Mike Oldfield : Tubular Bel +ls pt II 80 distinct words in 142 total (56.3%) - Novalis : Wer Schmett +erlinge lachen hört 67 distinct words in 129 total (51.9%) - Pink Floyd : Shine on yo +u crazy diamond 24 distinct words in 48 total (50.0%) - Kraftwerk : Autobahn 101 distinct words in 202 total (50.0%) - Mary Black : Columbus 70 distinct words in 157 total (44.6%) - Supertramp : Breakfast i +n America 151 distinct words in 448 total (33.7%) - Marillion : Script for +a Jesters Tear 108 distinct words in 327 total (33.0%) - 2 Unlimited : No Limit 134 distinct words in 662 total (20.2%) - Roling Stones : Going Home 31 distinct words in 248 total (12.5%) - The Beatles : Hello, Good +bye 19 distinct words in 376 total ( 5.1%) - Mo-Do : Eins zwei P +olizei

      counted with this script.

      Enjoy, Have FUN! H.Merijn

        You realize you sound utterly ridiculous, trying to argue that the Stones are better than the Beatles on the basis of the ratio of unique words within a song, right? And also that you've blatantly cherry-picked your data.

        Maybe I should have made the irony more obvious or you are trying to top me? :)

        The link I gave lists Beatles and Kraftwerk as most influential bands in music business. ;-)

        > "'The Beatles and Kraftwerk' may not have the ring of 'the Beatles and the Stones', but nonetheless, these are the two most important bands in music history".

        Cheers Rolf
        (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
        Wikisyntax for the Monastery

      good point generally, but Kraftwerk belongs to a different genre. A genre which *often* strives for sparsity and mantra-like lyrics.

      bw, the operator with my pocket calculator

        1. They are heavily sampled, for instance my "favorite" ColdPlay song (yuck) shines because they "borrowed" from Kraftwerk.
        2. Lyrics are overrated, I heard statistics that 60% of Americans struggle to understand the lyrics of English songs. Most people only catch the chorus.
        3. Believe it or not Rammstein has quite deep lyrics on multiple levels. But the biggest part of there fan-base doesn't even speak basic German.

        Cheers Rolf
        (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
        Wikisyntax for the Monastery

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