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Re^2: Improving p5p: Perl is going to stay Perl

by LanX (Sage)
on May 17, 2021 at 23:47 UTC ( #11132703=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Improving p5p: Perl is going to stay Perl
in thread Improving p5p: Perl is going to stay Perl

I'm deeply convinced that "Perl" doesn't exist, or to be more precise, that there is effectively more than one language running on the same engine.

People can't agree because they fail to realize that they are aspiring to very different goals and ideals.

It's first and foremost a communication disaster.

Cheers Rolf
(addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
Wikisyntax for the Monastery

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Re^3: Improving p5p: Perl is going to stay Perl
by mr_mischief (Monsignor) on Jun 28, 2021 at 14:39 UTC

    I've thought of Perl for a long time like the PL/I or Ada of the dynamic, getting things done languages. Useful, but huge. I forget the exact quote and I can't find it to get it perfect or to credit someone. I don't even remember which language it was originally about, but I'm thinking it was PL/I. It goes something like "It's a number of complete programming languages each struggling to get free".

      That reminds me of this Bjarne Stroustrup quote:

      Within C++, there is a much smaller and cleaner language struggling to get out.

        Yes indeed - we call that smaller, cleaner language, "C". :-p

        I just happened upon this quotation from ken the other day which nicely sums up his feelings about C++:

        [C++] certainly has its good points. But by and large I think it's a bad language. It does a lot of things half well and itís just a garbage heap of ideas that are mutually exclusive. Everybody I know, whether itís personal or corporate, selects a subset and these subsets are different. So itís not a good language to transport an algorithmóto say, "I wrote it; here, take it." Itís way too big, way too complex. And itís obviously built by a committee. Stroustrup campaigned for years and years and years, way beyond any sort of technical contributions he made to the language, to get it adopted and used. And he sort of ran all the standards committees with a whip and a chair. And he said "no" to no one. He put every feature in that language that ever existed. It wasn't cleanly designedóit was just the union of everything that came along. And I think it suffered drastically from that.

        🦛

        I'm fairly sure the quote I was thinking of was a play on that quote.

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