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Re^2: The Perl Foundation responds to the Raku rename

by dsheroh (Monsignor)
on Jan 11, 2020 at 09:07 UTC ( #11111319=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re: The Perl Foundation responds to the Raku rename
in thread The Perl Foundation responds to the Raku rename

Given what the Rakudists decided (to voluntarily separate themselves from Perl)
Although I'm personally Perl 5 only, I made a point of following the discussion of Liz's renaming ticket on github. It's been a few months now, so I may have forgotten someone, but I recall exactly zero P6/Raku1 proponents who supported the renaming because they wanted to jettison the P5 community. There were a couple who were concerned about historical baggage attached to the Perl name, but none who wanted to separate themselves from the community. On the contrary, one of the more common objections from the P6/Raku side was from people who were concerned that a name change would divide the community and possibly even spur (more) ill will between the P5 people and the P6/Raku people.

This statement from TPF is not a refusal to accept reality, it looks to me like an acknowledgement of the reality that many people wanted reassurance that Raku would remain a valued member of the Perl family, regardless of what name it might carry.

The only people I can recall who wanted to see the communities split were a tiny number (2? 3?) of Perl 5 purists who wanted to jettison P6/Raku and everything connected to it, regardless of whether it was renamed or not, while waving a hearty "good riddance". This was not even close to a majority viewpoint on the P5 side, and, again, I don't recall anyone at all on the P6/Raku side who desired this.

Oh, wait... Yes, I think there was one P6/Raku supporter who said he wanted the Raku renaming because he believed it would hasten P5's (in his opinion) long-overdue demise. So I guess the supporters of both languages do include a lunatic fringe. Even so, that remains a tiny minority position, not the general consensus.


1 Using "P6/Raku" here rather than just "Raku" because, at the time of the discussion in question, the renaming had not yet taken place.

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Re^3: The Perl Foundation responds to the Raku rename
by woolfy (Chaplain) on Apr 04, 2020 at 09:46 UTC
    "Wendy's renaming ticket" -> "Liz' renaming ticket". I am Wendy, and I was opposed to the renaming, but that's water under the bridge.
      Whoops! Sorry about that error. I have corrected the attribution in my earlier post.
Re^3: The Perl Foundation responds to the Raku rename
by Jenda (Abbot) on Jan 23, 2020 at 13:41 UTC

    Tiny number. Sure.

    The ill will you speak of was caused by the (adjectives withheld) language squatting on the name and the rename (and thus a chance to solve the ongoing confusion hurting both languages) was supported by way more than a tiny number of people. Most of those either did not bother attending the discussion over there at the dark side or got their comments deleted.

    On the nothing-left-of-perl-but-otherwise-everything-anyone-happened-to-think-of side of the split the number of people that believed the name hurts them was ... well, the whole community is tiny so yeah, there were a couple of those. The whole community is a couple of people.

    1984 was supposed to be a warning,
    not a manual!

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