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Re^3: response to "The Perl Community - a mixed bag of sometimes intollerance and sometimes fantastic help"

by 1nickt (Abbot)
on Jul 25, 2019 at 11:37 UTC ( #11103360=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^2: response to "The Perl Community - a mixed bag of sometimes intollerance and sometimes fantastic help"
in thread response to "The Perl Community - a mixed bag of sometimes intollerance and sometimes fantastic help"

Hum. I believe my post was germane as its main point to the OP was that he had no right to complain about how he was treated since he already knew it was going to happen.

I read the IRC thread, and have had several experiences that are identical. The OP there asked a question and got the ubiquitous guru/troll's classic scornful and derogatory put-down. There was no falsification. If people respond to questioners like that here they are reprimanded; in IRC that is not the case(*), for whatever reason (I guess because the guru/troll's company hosts the IRC server?) and it is most definitely a hostile environment even if you can get answers there.

(*) In fact I have more than once been contacted off-line by another IRC poster apologizing for the guru/troll's behaviour, including e.g. by the lead maintainer of a major Perl framework (to which the guru/troll had in the past been a contributor) which publishes the IRC channel as the helpline. Now if such a senior developer feels that he cannot stand up publicly to the guru/troll's haranguing, what chance does a n00b have? Not many have skin thick enough to run the gauntlet of scorn in order to get an answer, and why should they have to?


The way forward always starts with a minimal test.
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Re^4: response to "The Perl Community - a mixed bag of sometimes intollerance and sometimes fantastic help"
by Anonymous Monk on Jul 25, 2019 at 16:00 UTC
    This is a sincere question -- could you please clarify which part in the log above was a "scornful and derogatory put-down"? Different people from different backgrounds/cultures/experiences perceive words differently, especially in the absence of in-person expressions, mannerisms and tone, so I would like to understand your perspective better so I can properly phrase my responses in future.

    -ether@cpan

      Hi Karen, lest there be any misunderstanding, I was not referring to you and have never found anything you said to anyone to be the least bit snarky.

      I am surprised there can be any confusion whatsoever about what in the posted log was a "scornful and derogatory put-down".

      After the OP had been engaged for some time with a third party who was trying to help with the question and suggested the warning was not originated where reported, he asked:

      2019-07-23 19:22:02 mje__ ok, so the crux of the opinion is the line number is possibly wrong and so other tests could be at fault?
      The helper responded affirmatively:
      2019-07-23 19:24:51 alh Yes. And you can figure out by adding debug everywhere
      ... but not before the ubiquitous guru-troll jumped in with his first contribution to the discussion:
      2019-07-23 19:24:47 mst the crux of the opinion is "you're confused about *something*

      As is usually the case, he went on to make comments and suggestions, (not very useful, repeating what was already suggested by the helper and then by another commenter), but found it necessary first to make the OP feel like an idiot. As I have told him personally he is the absolute worst teacher I have ever encountered, despite his vast domain knowledge, because of his need to affirm that he is smarter than whomever he is talking at.


      The way forward always starts with a minimal test.

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