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Re: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

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on Apr 09, 2013 at 02:36 UTC ( #1027626=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


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Re^2: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
by Jenda (Abbot) on Apr 09, 2013 at 10:24 UTC

    Yes, it illustrates a pretty huge issue. And issue of education induced oversensitivity and belief that just because your big ego doesn't like something everyone else is required to run away screaming and bring jewels and flowers to appease the self appointed goddess.

    There are jokes about everyone all over the place, how come only those that may, if stretched far enough, might be by selected few be in the exact right light considered derogatory to women, cause a long thread of insults? What's so special about them? Are they really that sensitive? Or did they find out that screaming will get them attention and special treatment?

    You can't caricature current feminism. You can't caricature a caricature.

    Jenda
    Enoch was right!
    Enjoy the last years of Rome.

      Maybe you'd have an easier time understanding the people here who are saying "This makes me feel uncomfortable" if you listened to them instead of trying to outdo yourself mocking a caricature that doesn't represent anyone.

      How is writing:

      ... everyone else is required to run away screaming and bring jewels and flowers to appease the self appointed goddess.

      ... supposed to help the situation?

      There are jokes about everyone all over the place....

      Why should that matter? We're talking about a very specific comment in this thread to which several people have said "This makes me feel less welcome in the Perl community." Is it even relevant that in other places other people say horrible things?

      Or did they find out that screaming will get them attention and special treatment?

      Who's screaming? Is claiming that anyone is screaming supposed to help the situation?

      Are they really that sensitive? Or did they find out that screaming will get them attention and special treatment?
      Do you really think that kind of attention and that "special treatment" we're seeing here is enjoyable? That's a serious question. I'm trying to understand what you think.
      Yes, I'm getting some nice private messages/emails from people who agree with me, (thanks), but I still would be happier if there was no reason for that at all. Honestly.

      Asking that we avoid jokes whose target doesn't appreciate them (and is grossly under-represented in Perl for some reason) is hardly equivalent to "bringing jewels and flowers". Unless you have some kind of educationally-induced oversensitivity to criticism of your wit.

      Aren't you the one asking for special treatment? The unique right to make cracks about whoever you want, without regard for whether they'll appreciate the joke?

Re^2: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 09, 2013 at 11:30 UTC

    Welcome to the birth of Witchhunt Democracy.

    Leading the Lynch Mob today, for one day only, your Witchfinder General in passing, will be the Mighty Schwern.

    Pick a cause, any lost clause, and stick a plausible sounding, self-righteous label on it and he'll rally the troopers to you aid.

    Cause unappraised, source unseen, reason shall not stand in his way.

      Matt Trout wrote that. Read it: personal attacks, word choice, word *style*. And cowardly hiding behind anonymity.

        Wrong. I know because I wrote it, and I ain't He.

        I am vaguely aware of the name, but I wouldn't recognise him if he sat next to me on the tram.

        And he wouldn't know me either.

        As for cowardice; I notice you have cloaking engaged also.

Re^2: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl? (jokes are bad)
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 10, 2013 at 10:25 UTC

    If you're going to make a joke at somebody's expense, make it at your own.

    Isn't the same thing?

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