Re^2: Which came first?

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If I had to stake my life on it, I would agree with something like you said. My guess is that the predecessor of the chicken was some primitive ocean swimming creature that laid eggs to reproduce, like so many other sea creatures. One day, some of them crawled onto land, and their scales gradually modified into feathers( due to the incredible built-in metamorphorsizing abilities of the original gene that originated life (maybe fell in a comet? Maybe airborne O2 causes a different genetic reaction than water-bourne O2?). This became the chicken.

I'm always fascinated by the gene's ability to do what is necessary.... like if we (humans)were forced back into the sea, would we naturally just start getting webbed fingers and toes( ala Waterworld), without mutation? Just by the genes activating the "waterborn" subroutines, instead of the airborn ones

One of the basic tenets of Bhuddism, is that "conciousness is an intrinsic part of the cosmos". On a level we don't understand, I believe conciousness can control how our genes function.....turning things on/off as needed. This probably corresponds to the Christian "hidden-hand-of-God" branch of evolutionists.

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I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth. Cogito ergo sum a bum

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Re^3: Which came first? by arc_of_descent (Hermit) on May 03, 2008 at 06:49 UTC
I'm always fascinated by the gene's ability to do what is necessary.... like if we (humans)were forced back into the sea, would we naturally just start getting webbed fingers and toes( ala Waterworld), without mutation? Just by the genes activating the "waterborn" subroutines, instead of the airborn ones A gene cannot alter its own behaviour. Rather, we humans (at least most of us!) just don't possess the gene which produces webbed feet. Or, they are inactive. So say we are forced back into the sea, many of us are going to die and thus our genes. The gene responsible for webbed feet will slowly rise in numbers in the gene population thus giving us webbed feet! What I'm hoping to say is that some percentage of humans would be possessing the inactive gene for webbed feet and their offspring will be the ones who survive. -- Rohan	[reply]
Re^3: Which came first? by CountZero (Bishop) on May 02, 2008 at 20:24 UTC
My guess is that the predecessor of the chicken was some primitive ocean swimming creature that laid eggs to reproduce, like so many other sea creatures. According to the latest scientific knowledge, the direct ancestor of the chicken was more likely T-Rex! CountZero A program should be light and agile, its subroutines connected like a string of pearls. The spirit and intent of the program should be retained throughout. There should be neither too little or too much, neither needless loops nor useless variables, neither lack of structure nor overwhelming rigidity." - The Tao of Programming, 4.1 - Geoffrey James	[reply]
Re^4: Which came first? by I0 (Priest) on May 03, 2008 at 06:03 UTC
The reporting of that research appears to confuse being an ancestor with having a common ancestor	[reply]
Re^5: Which came first? by CountZero (Bishop) on May 03, 2008 at 06:39 UTC
Thanks, that's a relief. So I guess it is save to go into the chicken coop again? CountZero A program should be light and agile, its subroutines connected like a string of pearls. The spirit and intent of the program should be retained throughout. There should be neither too little or too much, neither needless loops nor useless variables, neither lack of structure nor overwhelming rigidity." - The Tao of Programming, 4.1 - Geoffrey James	[reply]
Re^6: Which came first? by swampyankee (Parson) on May 03, 2008 at 21:49 UTC
Re^3: Which came first? by Aim9b (Monk) on May 05, 2008 at 12:09 UTC
One of the basic tenets of Bhuddism, is that "conciousness is an intrinsic part of the cosmos". On a level we don't understand, I believe conciousness can control how our genes function.....turning things on/off as needed. Trying to refrain from all the jokes about ....conciousness controlling...how our 'jeans' function....turning things on/off -from back in high school... I'd propose that when the Creator made "All the beasts of the field", then this would suggest that the chicken was created first, & the egg is meerly the means but which they can sustain the species.	[reply]
Re^4: Which came first? by zentara (Archbishop) on May 05, 2008 at 12:48 UTC
*the Creator made "All the beasts of the field",* Well I tend toward the blend of creationism and evolution,.... the hidden hand of God. I had a thought last night about this...... thinking "conciousness (the underlying conciousness of the universe, i.e. God, life-force) always try to take form in the material world". Conciousness wants form. So somewhere way down on the sub-atomic level, forces are at work everywhere, to allow DNA to form, by manipulating the tendencies of molecular bonding. Once the DNA exists, it acts as an trigger, and will generate macro-life forms. Chickens and eggs are a great addition to the eco-system, especially in a low tech survival situation. We may be the manifestations in the material world, of God's dream. This brings up the next question.... what happens when the created forms, take on their own individual conciousness...the ego. Is this the root of evil? The separation from God-conciousness. Have you ever seen an evil chicken? :-) I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth. Cogito ergo sum a bum	[reply]
Re^3: Which came first? by stonecolddevin (Parson) on May 06, 2008 at 16:45 UTC
<harold_and_kumar character="President Bush">you just blew my fcking mind.</harold_and_kumar> meh.*	[reply]

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