Holli, I think you need to read my post more carefully, I said that perldoc ppm did not have the answer. Your link to the active state ppm faqs is not the link to the perldoc for ppm. PodMaster correctly (IMO) suggested what the problem was AND suggested the SOPW use perldoc ppm to find the answer, and that is not where it is mentioned and that is why I mentioned it. It would be very helpful if your link was in the SEE ALSO section of the ppm perldoc. If you would like me to email you a dump of perldoc ppm I will be happy to prove it to you. The link you added is helpful, but that data is NOT in my AS 5.8.3 ppm perldoc version which I specified in my post.