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Re^2: Seven good reasons for Perl
by davidj (Priest) on Jun 14, 2004 at 19:16 UTC
    I understand the frustration with people who
    1) have biases against a certain technology (Perl in this case)
    2) are cavalier in their comments.

    However, it is never appropriate to respond with offensive language, especially in such an aggressive manner. If you want to reply to comments made by another person, fine. But please do so in a polite manner.

    davidj
      There is a history involved here, between Wassercrat and the daily posters on this site. The OP has chosen to take a very antagonistic and puerile attitude towards the members of this site. He has also been extremely deaf to constructive criticism given to him on at least five occasions going back over a year. Many of his statements have been assertions without proof and he has attacked people for asking for said proof.

      A case in point is the asssertion that Perl is on the decline in popularity. I am not saying whether it is or not, though I have my opinion. However, there has been no attempt on the part of the OP to even start to back that statement up. This is a statement he has made on at least two other occassions. He has been challenged every time and resorted to ad hominem attacks in response.

      If he wishes to engage in this kind of discussion, that's his prerogative. I have supported that prerogative in the past, against the better judgement of my peers. However, I will respond in kind, and that includes the aggressive manner.

      Please note that he was the one who chose, over the past year, to take such obviously antagonistic stands. That is his prerogative. But, I will not protect him from the consequences of those choices, one of which is the tone of my response. Please feel free to disagree.

      Update: fixed OP's name as per sporty's reply.

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      We are the carpenters and bricklayers of the Information Age.

      Then there are Damian modules.... *sigh* ... that's not about being less-lazy -- that's about being on some really good drugs -- you know, there is no spoon. - flyingmoose

      I shouldn't have to say this, but any code, unless otherwise stated, is untested

        There is a history involved here, between Wassercrat and the daily posters on this site. The OP has chosen to take a very antagonistic and puerile attitude towards the members of this site.
        Without commenting on the merit or lack thereof of your argument, I find it offensive that you don't make it for yourself only, but shield behind "the daily posters on this site" and "the members of this site".

        I doubt that you could get all the monks who post daily (much less all registered monks) to agree on anything.

      Well said. Bravo. Regardless of the provocation, it is not useful to resort to offensive language.
Re^2: Seven good reasons for Perl
by hossman (Prior) on Jun 15, 2004 at 06:03 UTC
    As Perl's becoming less popular, webspace with real perl interpreter can be quite costly.
    Prove it or shut up. And, I mean prove that a webserver with Perl installed is more expensive to operate than a webserver with ASP installed. Otherwise, you are spouting shit from your ass and I am not your toilet.

    Dude, leave your bitterness at the door. He didn't say the operational costs of a webserver were higher -- he said finding "webspace" that let's you run perl is getting expensive. He's right. The dot-come days of web hosting companies with cheap shell accounts and web hosting that let you run whatever you want are dying fast.

      He didn't say the operational costs of a webserver were higher -- he said finding "webspace" that let's you run perl is getting expensive.
      So you're not going to prove it either? Just as i'm typing this i'm looking at an ad for http://pair.com/ and they're cheap (and finding them was effortless).

      Sure guy was rude, but bitter? Wassercrat/s is bitter.

        Actually pair.com is positively pricy compared with http://www.ipowerweb.com/.

        What you'll find, though, is that cheap hosts have no problem letting you run PHP, but they won't offer mod_perl. So yes, Perl is there. But you won't get the throughput and performance that you will if you switch languages.

        The reason is that it is harder to lock down mod_perl than PHP in a shared Apache server. Which has nothing to do with anything that wassercrat(s) was complaining about.
Re^2: Seven good reasons for Perl
by jepri (Parson) on Jun 15, 2004 at 03:34 UTC
    YHBT. YHL. HAND

    Although oddly enough I recall the first time I saw that phrase it ended with "Please insert quarter to try again", but I can't find that phrase on the net anywhere.

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Re^2: Seven good reasons for Perl
by Anonymous Monk on Jun 14, 2004 at 21:39 UTC

    >>it's already loads of readymade code (beginners can use script archives as a first step to it)

    >I hope you aren't referring to the plethora of crappy code on the web that contributes to massive security holes ...

    So where is best to look if I really want to use something readmade? Being more into webdesign than programming btw

      1. Buy a book. O'Reilly has a ton of good books with many many examples. And that doesn't count the "Learn in XX days" series. This even has the side-benefit of teaching you.
      2. Use a good ISP. Pair.com (and most other ISPs) will provide you with a number of applications readymade and supported 24x7. Most of these apps you are already paying for with your subscription.
      3. Hire someone. I maintain a list of monks on my homenode who've indicated a willingness to do contract work.

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      We are the carpenters and bricklayers of the Information Age.

      Then there are Damian modules.... *sigh* ... that's not about being less-lazy -- that's about being on some really good drugs -- you know, there is no spoon. - flyingmoose

      I shouldn't have to say this, but any code, unless otherwise stated, is untested

      It's been mentioned a couple of times before, but London Perl Mongers has their nms project, which provides drop-in replacements for the ever-prevalent Matt's Script Archive scripts. This should be a good start for you.