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in thread Demotions of monks

Well, "excludent" isn't a word in English. The proper word would be "excluding", but that still sounds somewhat awkward. I believe "exclusive" is correct, but it makes me realize that the word has, to some extent, become its own antonym.

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Re^7: Demotions of monks (updated)
by syphilis (Archbishop) on Jan 06, 2022 at 08:39 UTC
    The proper word would be "excluding", but that still sounds somewhat awkward

    I was thinking that "female-exclusive" would be taken to mean "exclusive of females".
    If I wanted to convey "exclusively female", then I would have used that exact phrase. It might have been clearer if I had written "exclusively male".

    The level "Patriarch" is the only level that I regard as "male only" - though my 25-year-old Concise Oxford Dictionary decrees that a "monk" is male.
    All of the other levels look gender-neutral (ie implying neither male nor female) to me - and I still find it interesting (and mildly unsettling) that, in 2021, we have created this specifically male level named "Patriarch".

    Cheers,
    Rob
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      ... we have created this specifically male level named "Patriarch"

      Well, again, it's no more male than "pope".

      Do you have any suggestions?

      Lama, it turns out, may be somewhat female leaning, according to wikipedia. Otoh, it's not as high a rank as I assumed.

      Finding a term which connotes a very high rank yet is gender neutral seems a bit of a challenge.

      I reckon we are the only monastery ever to have a dungeon staffed with 16,000 zombies.
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        There is historical evidence that as mentioned by choroba there has been at least one female Pope. Or historical lore at least. But given that "Matriarch" exists as a word I don't think one can argue that "Patriarch" is anything but male-specific.

        The way forward always starts with a minimal test.
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Re^7: Demotions of monks
by LanX (Saint) on Jan 06, 2022 at 01:11 UTC
    > I believe "exclusive" is correct,

    please search the internet for "member exclusive" and show me the instances where it meant that members were excluded. ;-)

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
    Wikisyntax for the Monastery

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