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"widely recogni(z)ed" ?

By whom? By Tim Bunce, whose two 5 and 4 year old articles you care to cite? Look at the long term trend. Look at

I'm not saying TIOBE is great/right. I'm saying the "world out there" thinks it is valid. Therefore I'm saying you are wrong.

Look at who's citing TIOBE to make a point. Want to re-educate the world? Good luck.

I could go on almost indefinitely, but I have already won the "I can post more links than you"-contest. And all this because of what? Because you are ashamed to shout out you are using Perl? Because we cannot simply state on our CPAN, on Perlmonks (we have hereby already - good), on Foswiki/TWiki/... pages something like "built with the cool Perl programming language"?

Don't like TIOBE? Ok. Try this - shows an equally bad situation for Perl. And you know what? It perfectly correlates with the TIOBE:

Yeah. Sure. All "them is wrong". But we have a community whereas Python has not (I really heard this on the last YAPC and the last 2 Perl workshops. Perhaps you would like to search for "foo community" instead of "foo programming"? You know what? Even THAT correlates.

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Re^3: Improve Perl's marketing position by making Perlmonks more discoverable for automated "popularity contests"
by chromatic (Archbishop) on Mar 18, 2013 at 17:54 UTC
    Yeah. Sure. All "them is wrong".

    Your interpretation of Google Trends is questionable:

    The numbers on the graph reflect how many searches have been done for a particular term, relative to the total number of searches done on Google over time. They don't represent absolute search volume numbers, because the data is normalized and presented on a scale from 0-100.

    Has the total number of searches done on Google from 2004 grown? Has it grown faster than the number of searches for "Perl tutorial"?

      Thanks chromatic for explaining that graph. (not to me, but to others).

      Care to look at

      http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22PHP%20tutorial%22

      and

      http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22Python%20tutorial%22&cmpt=q

      These graphs are perfectly consistent with observations on TIOBE - see the respective graphs there (google trends of tutorial searches denote "future interest", while TIOBE denotes "present interest")

      If Google trends fall (in absolute numbers - see below), the language popularity will fall. If they remain constant, language popularity will grow. There is a - thin - margin of fall up to which present popularity will remain at least more or less constant. C is a good example for that. If my calculations are correct a factor of 12 in Google trends decrease is the threshold for that situation.

      Now to your questions: The normalized Google trends graphs show a decrease by a factor of 25. Which means that we're good if the absolute number of searches on Google has grown 25 times since February 2004. Right?

      Well nothing easier than that. Enter Google annual search statistics. 1st try http://www.statisticbrain.com/google-searches/ 2007-2011 we have a growth from 1,200,000,000/day to 4,717,000,000/day. My head says that's a factor of 4, my pocket calculator says ~3.93

      Surely you want now to present 2004-2013 Google annual search statistics that will suggest a factor of 25. Be my guest.

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Re^3: Improve Perl's marketing position by making Perlmonks more discoverable for automated "popularity contests"
by Anonymous Monk on Mar 18, 2013 at 08:24 UTC

    Look at who's citing TIOBE to make a point. Want to re-educate the world? Good luck.

    :) Can you post more links?

    I'm curious to see if the obscureness/quality goes up or down

      Yes, I can post more links.

      http://modulecounts.com/

      Of course now the do-not-see-hear-speak fraction will say "aaah but that is not relevant/flawed..."

      I'm sure someone will come up with an argument why modulecounts is irrelevant to justify inaction.

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        Yes, I can post more links.

        Well, that one does not cite TIOBE, but thanks just the same

        I'm sure someone will come up with an argument why modulecounts is irrelevant to justify inaction.

        action has already been taken, look at bottom of page