Re: Re: (jeffa) Re: Perl Certifications ??
by mrmick (Curate) on Mar 05, 2001 at 20:36 UTC
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Why would Stonhenge have more credibility than Brainbench?
The latter seems to be a legitimate company, whose focus happens
to be certification. If you mean because more people in the
Perl community have heard of Stonehenge than Brainbench,
you miss the point of certifications: being able to
demonstrate your technical ability to non-technical people,
via a standardized objective, third-party test. Not trying
to knock either company (I happen to think pretty highly
of them both), just pointing out that one having
more "credibility" than the other is a silly statement.
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I would think (as a potential employer) that a company which
specializes in online certifications would not be as demonstrative
as a company known for Perl training in ensuring that those
who are certified have practiced their skills rather than
simply regurgitate the knowledge from books and
documentation.
Don't get me wrong, though... the test at Brainbech
was't a walk in the park but I was able to pass the exam
a couple of years ago when I was still new to the language
simply by having the book handy.
NOTE:
I wasn't trying to knock Brainbench. I just
think that even non-technical people have technical people
to use as resources. Most people haven't even heard of
Brainbech (technical and non-technical).
Scenario -
You mention your certification on your CV
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You get the interview
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You explain that your certification came from a prominent Perl training/consulting firm (mention "Learning Perl")
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You get the position
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Mick
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(jeffa) "Re:"x3 Perl Certifications ??
by jeffa (Bishop) on Mar 06, 2001 at 02:41 UTC
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my $foo = "bar\n";
undef $/;
chomp $foo;
A) bar\n
B) bar
C) bar\r
D) ba
Jeff
R-R-R--R-R-R--R-R-R--R-R-R--R-R-R--
L-L--L-L--L-L--L-L--L-L--L-L--L-L--
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The better you do, the harder the questions. I took it
without knowing I was allowed to use online docs over a year
ago. OK, I did it dead tired (while trying to stay up and
finish laundry) and I was less experienced then, but I only
got 4.5. (5 on theory, 4 on "practical questions". Bah.)
Anyways, when it comes up with questions like, "Where do
lexical variables live in the symbol table?", good luck
getting the answer if you didn't know that already. (I
got it of course.)
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Re: Re: (jeffa) Re: Perl Certifications ??
by Blue (Hermit) on Mar 06, 2001 at 18:58 UTC
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merlyn,
Do you have any idea if O'Reilly is interested in starting certifications, not just in Perl. It would seem that they have several things going for them:
- Access to published experts in various fields (the authors they have worked with)
- A well known name so that their certifications would mean something
- Big enough name that people would go, plus in the end it's just more free advertising (and book sales)
That might be interesting. You're the closest I know to O'R, you might of heard rumors/mention it to someone.
=Blue
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Re: Re: (jeffa) Re: Perl Certifications ??
by Fingo (Monk) on Mar 06, 2001 at 08:38 UTC
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I would make a test where the questions are not multiple choice, but essay type. Write a module to do this... Also people would then get high scores for creativity | [reply] |
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This, however, presents the rather serious problem of subjectivity. What makes something "creative"? What makes one solution more creative than another? Unless you could come up with an objective standard for determining the creativity of a solution to a problem, awarding something that should be objective, like a certification, becomes meaningless. ~Cybercosis
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Re: Re: (jeffa) Re: Perl Certifications ??
by jacques (Priest) on Aug 11, 2003 at 21:07 UTC
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I would vote for the Perl Foundation. They seem more appropriate. Most of the profits could then be the source of Perl grants. Sounds like a great way of raising money and helping Perl development. Not to mention that having an official certification helps Perl in many other important ways. | [reply] |
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People interested in Perl Certification might be interested in spending time on the Perl Certification Wiki.
I'm sure Tim Maher would appreciate more input - especially with misanthropes like myself spreading my certification scepticism all over the place :-)
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++ .. But I think PerlMonks is seen be a larger audience and is more influential. :)
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