Yes, I see now that the link I posted was Java. I'm really not into that either, myself! I find Java to be slow and the GUI development painful in comparison with Tk. I love Tk. Continue your project, and upsurp the Sun-users :) I downloaded cygoban 1 just for kicks, and that appears to be a C (or something) Tk program, however I think the Cygoban 1 GUI interface is rather awkward and could definitely be improved. Well, that, and it's not being maintained anymore.