Re^4: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? (haut dolts)

in reply to Re^3: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? (haut dolts)
in thread What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited?

It's hard to see yourself the way others see you, but I do recall one of my experiences of a Moose maven in IRC being so obviously aggressive that all I could say was "My, my..." and eventually others had to step in and _very_ gingerly -- lest they incur his wrath -- assert that maybe I wasn't just a know-nothing idiot. This wasn't the only unpleasantness in the Moose IRC channel I encountered but it was one of the earliest and most obviously, to me, unprovoked.

There is a sense in some particularly ego-attached to Moose (as with any theoretic construct) that even an ignorant question honestly asked about how one can go about doing something that isn't well supported by Moose _must_ be indicative of a lack of understanding of basic principles of programming or something. This isn't the way to make friends and influence people.

I've tried dealing with this by presenting as obsequiously as I can without sounding sarcastic -- and been criticized, in a rather inflammatory manner, for that too.

Its hard to know how to disarm these environments.

Comment on Re^4: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? (haut dolts)

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Re^5: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? (haut dolts) by Corion (Patriarch) on Feb 13, 2015 at 08:15 UTC
So your post would have more aptly been titled "What Made Individuals in the Moose irc Channel Mean Spirited?" ?	[reply]
Re^6: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? (haut dolts) by jabowery (Beadle) on Feb 13, 2015 at 10:11 UTC
I can't say its limited to the IRC environment but perhaps it is concentrated in the Moose cult more or less.	[reply]
Re^7: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? (haut dolts) by Your Mother (Archbishop) on Feb 13, 2015 at 18:49 UTC
I have long thought IRC is a better social tool than a technial one—IRC Considered Harmful. Hacker society is often harsh or worse. Mammals can act quite differently in packs, even amiable individuals. There is plenty of room in the world for liking something and being enthusiastic about it without it being a personality defect. So I object to use of the word “cult” which you and tye have used. It’s generally pejorative and obviously meant to be here. Physician, heal thyself.	[reply]
Re^8: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? ("cult") by tye (Sage) on Feb 13, 2015 at 21:03 UTC
Re^9: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? ("cult") by jabowery (Beadle) on Feb 18, 2015 at 07:01 UTC
Re^7: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? (haut dolts) by Corion (Patriarch) on Feb 13, 2015 at 10:16 UTC
I don't interact much with "Moose people" (if there are people identifying as such), but I wouldn't be surprised to encouter unpleasantness on irc. It's mostly people hanging out and if you catch a person in a bad mood, things can escalate easily.	[reply]
Re^5: What Made the Perl Community Mean Spirited? (avoid the irc front porch lawn livingroom) by Anonymous Monk on Feb 13, 2015 at 09:50 UTC
Some perspective on irc http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/on-being-a-bastard/ ... I used to chuckle at that article, because I've seen that html/regex thing come up a million times ... its very different when the topic isn't as clear cut as html/regex and its you getting this level of irc welcome irc, its like a pressure cooker around somebody elses living room ... not where I turn for programming help )	[reply]

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